when we started the center it was still political pulses were not considered art form they were considered agitprop which is a which is a you know a pejorative political art just the costuming political art is also pejorative there's the fine arts there's the high arts and they never combined politics which of course is they don't know their art history because Gernika is one of the most extraordinary paintings in fact I think Time magazine called the Gernika the most important piece of art of the 20th century and that you certainly cannot call that not political that's what made it but but for the most part the museum's don't show political art unless it's by a Picasso or somebody who's already famous for something else so so political posters were not only not considered an art form but they weren't even they were there raising that stepchild of the art world and one of the things that the Center for the study of political graphics is trying to do is get political posters taken seriously as an art form there was a big fo vietnam war demonstration scheduled for june 23rd 1967 and Century City and the was a very you know middle-class demonstration a lot of you know Hollywood types and and people like Muhammad Ali were speaking at the rally ahead of time but the people did organize it had a permit it was all illegal demonstration at all the publicity and it was a really big turnout it was the biggest demonstration la had ever seen at that point and I remember we were I was walking with my sister we were probably like in the first third of the of the demonstration so there people still you know walking from Rancho Park was where it started and then there was a row a very deep row so roll cross and row deep Rose D of LAPD motorcycle cops with the riot gear and the helmets and the motorcycles and somebody lifts a Bengal horn or something said okay we've rescinded the permit this is now an illegal demonstration turn around and go back well a people didn't want to go back the people in the back couldn't hear and then they it was I don't remember it could have been two minutes that could have been five minutes that could have been ten minutes it doesn't really matter because they started on mass riding their motorcycles right into the crowd swinging the billy clubs left and right and it was just by chance there was a a woman in front of me who got hit when the billy club went that way and there was a woman over there that got hit when the billy club went that way so literally I was in the triangle between of the movement of the motorcycle I just wasn't a triangle that was safe and then I was shocked that the police would do that I mean we were doing and we were doing something we were doing anything illegal we were doing anything violent we were just and it was started out it was legal and I just couldn't believe that they would do that and prior to Century City I really wasn't committed to demonstrations I went to a couple safe easy not safe but easy one but after the Century City demonstration I was not going to miss a demonstration I don't know if this poster is gonna make a difference or that poster stop the war or that poster change somebody's life I know posted change my life and I know graphics change Martin Luther King's life I'd have specific examples of graphics and images changing people's lives but if we didn't try to make things better we know they're going to get worse faster and so I can't guarantee you anything I can't I can't prove that this is gonna make a difference but I can't guarantee the people like the artists who made these posters the organizations that were working around getting these closers made and distributed they weren't doing network this world will be an old way lot way worse shape lot faster so I'd rather take a rather err on the side of trying to make things better leaving the world a better place than I found it then say you know just coughing