OF IT. THAT’S THE ANKLE. JOURNEYMAN OUT REACTION, NYPD SERGEANT AND PRESIDENT OF NEW YORK CITY’S SERGEANT’S BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION AND MARK FUHRMAN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR AND FORMER L.A.P.D. DETECTIVE. GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON TONIGHT. YOU HEARD THE ANGLE. YOU HAVE SPOKEN WITH POLICE IN THE PRECINCT WHO HAVE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT’S GOING ON. NOW, WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH THE OFFICERS’ HEADS WHEN THIS WAS ALL HAPPENING?>>HELLO.>>Laura: GO AHEAD. I’M SAYING WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH THEIR HEADS?>>WAS GOING TO THEIR HEADS, WITHOUT A POLICE COMMISSIONER SEVERAL YEARS AGO SEND OFFICERS TO ENFORCE MINOR CRIMEA OFFICERS TO ENFORCE MINOR CRIMEO OFFICERS TO ENFORCE MINOR CRIMET CIGARETTES. TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO WE HAD A SERGEANT INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING. SHOT AT A 66-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WHO SWUNG AT HIS HEAD WITH A BASEBALL BAT. THE COMMISSIONER CONDEMNED IT. WE’VE SEEN THE COMMISSIONER DID NOT GET ANY SUPPORT FROM THE DEPARTMENT. THE OFFICERS THAT ARE OUT THERE ON PATROL, OFFICERS HAVING THE WATER THROWN ON THEM ARE INDECISIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY SHOULD DO AND DO THEY HAVE THE BACKING OF THE NYPD. GOING TO MAKE AN ARREST IN THIS — ANY INDIVIDUALS SELLING CRACK TO THEIR HEAD, WE HEAR THE MEDIA AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC SAYING IT’S MINOR CRIMES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING WOULD TURN AGAINST THESE OFFICERS. THERE’S NO LEADERSHIP IN THE NYPD. THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM. WE’VE HAD THREE COPS ASSASSINATED, SEVERAL COPS KILLED, NUMEROUS COPS SHOT. THERE’S NO LEADERSHIP IN THE NYPD. AND NONE COMING FROM CITY HALL. I AM ASKING THE POLICE COMMISSIONER O’NEILL WITH EMPATHY IN MY HEART, YOU’VE LOST THE CONFIDENCE OF THE NYPD MEMBERS AND TO PLEASE RESIGN. IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE INTEREST OF –>>Laura: IT CAN’T CONTINUE.>>IT’S TIME FOR YOU TO MOVE ON.>>Laura: THIS CANNOT CONTINUE.>>I AM ASKING MAYOR de BLASIO TO MAKE ONE GOOD DECISION IN YOUR MAYORAL TERM AND REMOVE THE POLICE COMMISSIONER.>>Laura: WILL THAT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.>>HE’S LOST THE CONFIDENCE OF THE NYPD.>>Laura: LET’S GO TO MARK FUHRMAN. I WOULDN’T HOLD MY BREATH ABOUT de BLASIO DOING THE RIGHT THING. IF ANYTHING, YOU WILL CONDEMN THE POLICE FOR NOT GIVING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LAUGHING A SOFT DRINK OR SOMETHING. I DON’T KNOW. HE’S NOT DOING ANYTHING. MARK, YOU TAKE ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT AT THE MOMENT, AT THAT TIME, THE POLICE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING. AREN’T THEY DAMNED IF THEY AND DAMNED IF THEY DON’T.>>IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, YOU NEED A NEW JOB. THERE’S NEVER BEEN A TIME WHEN POLITICIANS OR CHIEFS OR CAPTAINS OR EVEN LIEUTENANTS ARE GOING TO BE AT A SCENE AND ACTUALLY AGREE WITH WHAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE. THEY USUALLY HESITATE. THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS ANY DEMONSTRATION. WE WATCH IN PORTLAND. WE WATCH IT IN NEW YORK. WE WATCH IN LOS ANGELES. TIMES ARE CHANGING BECAUSE THEY ARE HESITATING TO ENGAGE. THESE TWO OFFICERS LOOKED RIDICULOUS IN WHAT THEY DID. AS SOON AS THEY WERE ASSAULTED, THEY HAVE THE SUSPECT IN THE CAR. THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT OUT AN ASSISTANCE CALL. THEY SHOULD HAVE TURNED AND ACTUALLY ENGAGE THE SUSPECT. IF THEY GET INTO AN ALTERCATION, THAT’S FINE. IF THEY HAVE TO USE THEIR TASER, THAT’S FINE. IF THEY HAVE TO USE FORCE OTHER THAN THAT, THAT’S FINE BECAUSE THE NEXT OFFICER THAT GOES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, MAYBE HE’LL GET A BUCKET OF PAINT. MAYBE A BUCKET OF BLEACH. MAYBE EVEN SOME ACID. THIS IS A JOB THAT IS TOUGH, AND IF YOU’RE NOT WILLING TO ENGAGE — THIS WASN’T DECISION BY SOMEBODY IN AN IVORY TOWER. THIS WASN’T A CAPTAINS DECISION OR POLICE COMMISSIONER. THIS WAS THE TWO OFFICERS ON THE STREET. THEY WERE IN CHARGE OF THE SITUATION, AND THEY DID NOTHING.>>Laura: YEAH, IT’S GOT TO BE INCREDIBLY DEMORALIZING FOR POLICE OFFICERS AND I KNOW TALKING TO A NUMBER OF THEM OVER THE LAST ONE FOR HOURS, SINCE WE WERE THE FIRST TO PUT THIS VIDEO ON NATIONAL TV, THEY ARE INFURIATED ACROSS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES. LATE TONIGHT, NYPD RELEASED PICTURES OF THREE OF THE SUSPECTS IN THESE WATER ATTACKS. ALSO NYPD IS NOTIFYING OFFICERS ABOUT THE CHARGES THAT CAN BE BROUGHT AGAINST THESE THUGS, SO IT’S EXACTLY WHAT FORMER NYPD COMMISSIONER BURNING CHARACTER TOLD US LAST NIGHT. WATCH.>>OBSTRUCTION, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, HARASSMENT, NUMBER OF OTHER CHARGES BUT THEY WON’T BE CHARGED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A MIRROR IN NEW YORK CITY –>>Laura: HE SENT DISGRACE. WHAT CHANCE DO THEY HAVE OF CATCHING AND CHARGING THESE GUYS AND DO YOU AGREE WITH MARK FUHRMAN’S ANALYSIS THAT IS TETHYS THIS JOB IS, IF THE OFFICERS DON’T WANT TO ENGAGE ON THE SCENE, THEY SHOULD NO LONGER BE POLICE OFFICERS AND GO INTO A DIFFERENT LINE OF WORK. GOD BLESS THEM.>>THERE’S A PARTIAL TRUTH TO WHAT MARK IS EXCITING BUT MARK COMES FROM A DIFFERENT TIME. BACK WHEN POLICE WERE SUPPORTED AND THERE WERE NO CAMERAS THAT WERE BEING STUCK IN EVERY STASIS. WHEN A HIGHLIGHT THE PANTALEO EFFECT, THE OFFICERS ENFORCING MINOR CRIMES OF LOOSE CIGARETTES, WHERE’S THE BACKING? IT’S EASY FOR US TO SAY WHAT OFFICERS SHOULD DO BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONES WHERE THERE WHEN IT HAPPENS AND WE ARE THE ONES GETTING INDICTED BECAUSE OF PUBLIC OUTCRY OVER NONSENSE. IT’S EASY TO BE OPINIONATED FROM ONE SIDE BUT MARK AND I BOTH COME FROM DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS, AND I’M STILL THERE AND I SEE WHAT’S OCCURRING IN POLICING TODAY.>>Laura: MARK, RESPOND.>>WELL, I MEAN, THAT’S ALL WELL AND GOOD BUT I CAN REMEMBER MANY TIMES THAT I WASN’T SUPPORTED BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE ON DOWN BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY ENGAGE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT WERE TRYING TO ASSAULT US, ROCKS, BOTTLES, GUNSHOTS. WE STILL ENGAGED. WE CALLED FOR ASSISTANCE, AND YES, IT GOT UGLY. BUT YOU DIDN’T LOSE YOUR GROUND, NUGENT WALK AWAY WITH YOUR TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS. IF YOU’RE GOING TO DO THAT, GIVE UP THE STREETS. THE NEXT TIME SOMEBODY –>>WE ARE NOW PROMOTING VIDEOS OF BASICALLY KARAOKE SINGING CONTEST. WE’VE GONE FROM ENFORCEMENT, WE’VE GONE FROM A PARAMILITARY ORGANIZATION TO FEEL GOOD AND WE SPEND ENERGY AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON CREATING A FEEL-GOOD TO THE POINT WHERE OFFICERS ARE GETTING INDICTED FOR NONSENSE AND ARE NOT GETTING THE BACKING OF THE NYPD.>>Laura: HOLD ON A SECOND. HOLD ON. I WANT TO PUT THIS FULL-SCREEN UP. LOOK AT WHAT THIS CURRENT ATMOSPHERE HAS DONE TO RECRUITMENT OF POLICE OFFICERS. CHECK IT OUT. NYPD RECRUITMENT IS DOWN, DOWN, DOWN. ONLY 330 PEOPLE AS OF APRIL 2019. LOOK AT WHERE IT WAS IN JULY OF 2017. 524. JANUARY 2010, THEY DID PRETTY WELL BUT IT DOESN’T LOOK SO GOOD RIGHT NOW, MARK. WHAT’S NEXT FOR RECRUITMENT? THEY CAN HIRE POLICE OFFICERS IN PLACES LIKE NEW ORLEANS THE LAST TIME I CHECKED. OTHER PLACES BECOME A TRICKLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SAME THING.>>THERE CERTAIN PLACES WHERE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE AT THE HIGH STANDARDS. LOS ANGELES, NEW YORK, IT SHOULD BE A FEW OTHER CITIES. THE HEART OF THE MATTER IS LEADERSHIP. IF YOU DON’T HAVE A GOOD LEADER, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THINK LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE. A GOOD LEADER WILL GIVE THEM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT THEY NEED. IF YOU ARE GOING TO ENGAGE WITH BAD ACTORS ON THE STREET, YOU NEED TO ENGAGE. IF YOU DON’T, WE’RE NOT GOING TO WORRY ABOUT AN OFFICER GETTING INDICTED. SOMEBODY’S GOING TO GET KILLED. SUSPECTS ARE GOING TO GET KILLED, AND OFFICERS ARE GOING TO GET KILLED. THIS IS JUST ONE STEP. THE NEXT ONE WILL BE MORE THAN WATER. BECAUSE THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT.>>Laura: THE DISRESPECT OF THE POLICE AND FOR EACH OTHER, I MEAN, IT IS ALL RIDICULOUS AT